18:46 22 Jul 22
I want to thank for responding to my review. I am recanting what I said earlier. They have been doing good. Just couldn't believe how we where being done. But if you use them give them a chance. They did do good so far.
M Rodgers 536
22:00 18 Jul 22
Ms. Dominique Hawkins did an amazing job with my difficult Workers Compensation Claim. Dominique was extremely professional, responsive and easy to communicate with throughout the entire process. I would highly recommend Ms. Dominique Hawkins as your Workers Compensation Attorney. Abbott & Associates are extremely lucky to have Ms. Dominique Hawkins on their team!
Joseph Bedoy was Excellent ,Very Professional, and Extensive in the Details. His Administrative Assistant Vanessa was very Professional and Precise in Communications with me.
21:16 23 Jun 22
Nikki was the best , she help me out so much , I do not know what I would have done with out her.
04:15 22 Jun 22
Hands down !!! The best !! Took my case with hardly any time and the odds stacked against me and turned it to a blessing!!
22:38 15 Jun 22
Un trabajo fantástico y gracias a Jeannette Uribe de abbots and associates por su excelente representación.
02:24 07 Jun 22
I'm a client of Abbott Law Firm (Dominique) and (Bill) very professional if you need to talk to them they will get right back with you ASAP they got my WC knee surgery approved because the Insurance Company (Liberty Mutual) was pushing not for me to get my surgery done thanks Abbott and Associates for everything I'm truly thankful.
22:09 13 May 22
IF YOU HAVE BEEN INJURED ON THE JOB AND THE EMPLOYER OR INSURANCE COMPANY IS GIVING YOU A HARD TIME. THIS LAW FIRM CAN HELP! THEY HAVE BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR OVER 20 YEARS AND ARE EXPERTS WITH THESE TYPES OF CLAIMS. I HAVE HAD THE PLEASURE OF WORKING WITH THEM AND HAVE HAD GREAT OUTCOMES. GIVE THEM A CALL TO ENSURE YOU RECEIVE THE BEST HELP AVAILABLE WHICH YOU DESERVE.
00:59 10 May 22
From my first phone call to this law office I was treated as a valuable person. My case was given to Mr. Clay who got on it right away. Knowing that my case is being handled by this law firm has made my life much easier as I deal with the pain from my injuries. Thank you Mr. Clay and your assistant Courtney. If you need help with your Workman’s Comp claim, I highly recommend this firm.
23:08 29 Apr 22
17:42 28 Apr 22
Got injured in October of 21 and the company ghosted me. Reached out to see what my options were and was surprised at how mr Bedoy and his assistant took charge and kept me updated along the process. Very much appreciate their hardwork and timely work at that. Highly recommend abbot & associates.
19:57 22 Apr 22
Made my 1st call to ask for help, I’ve been trying to get help for about 4mnths, on Worker’s Comp ignored issues …(2 injury dates within 3wks, both proved not my fault!) going on 2yrs ago!I attempted & tried to explain i just moved from my home of 42yrs, not able to work my job position, onto friends property because house unlivable & having to sit in my car to call this 1st time!I wanted to make an appointment, but said has to be over phone.(What happened to good old days of hospitality? I’m vaccinated, I’ll mask & wear gloves!”)I have to accept those “rules” if not in person!But…“She kept interrupting me as I was trying to get out even a 1/4 of what I just wrote…. “Even as I broke down feeling “defeated yet again!”… it was ALL about“You can call back Monday with your pw in your car & we’ll ask questions then!” (interrupting at least 3xs in under 5min phn call to tell me about calling Monday!)I couldn’t even hear an “speck” of any compassion or “hate you’ve been trying almost 2yrs, to get 1 of 3 injuries (MOST damaging in lower lumbar) addressed!”Very insensitive, which I won’t say her name, as not trying to get someone that seems uncaring, on my 1st call.Hate to hear how 2nd call would go.I’ve been terrified to call someone & ask for help, as didn’t want my employer to be in trouble!I attempt to convey my situation, to a very “uncaring tone/manner”.(Again, not able to convey this from her cutting me off)My “ptsd” has hightened tremendously, since 2020… when this mess began for help.I need someone who actually wants to help my situation.I didn’t mean to intrude on her time….I don’t even KNOW how to “go over” in a car with my “3inches of pw”, I’ve tried hard to keep records of.My apologies for bothering this Attorney’s office.I probably won’t make this mistake again….even MORE stressful asking for help!Blessings,(she may be having a rough day herself)
01:20 20 Apr 22
Clay and Bill (aka The Texas Screwdriver) took the time to communicate with me in a professional, courteous, and informative manner. They both were thoroughly attentive and transparent throughout the entire process. Abbott and Associates has truly been a blessing and God sent. I am very confident that Abbot and Associates will go above and beyond the call of duty to make sure their clients are top priority.
02:19 13 Apr 22
Joseph Bedoy at A&A was my attorney through my workers' comp case, and he was thoroughly attentive, transparent, and professional throughout the entire process. I was the passenger in a car that got T-boned at high speeds while on the way to a sales call, and had very extensive and severe injuries as a result. I had never dealt with workers' comp before and, to say it was a sickeningly twisted and nightmarish process would be an understatement, until I finally made the decision to hire Joseph to help me through it.Immediately, Joseph and his team took on every ounce of responsibility dealing with the criminally deceptive and manipulative major insurance corporation that was handling my case. I only had to know where to be, when to be there, and what to say. It took over a year of mind-numbing litigation and convoluted legal quarreling to resolve my case, and I hardly had to lift a finger with Joseph and his team in my corner. Even to this day with my case resolved and behind us, Joseph takes the time to communicate with me in a professional, courteous, and informative manner.If you're on the fence, take it from someone who always wants to take the world on by myself: just make the call. This is a fight that you WILL NOT win alone, and I couldn't think of a better team to have your back than Joseph and the team at A&A.
13:59 08 Apr 22
Awesome Law Firm ! Very Professional and responsive group of attorneys . Mr. Clay who is one of the Attorneys at the firm is the Best Attorney that I have ever encountered in my 53 years on this earth. I am So thankful that he was assigned to my case . Mr. Clay was so very well prepared to present my case before the Judge , That once he started presenting our opening statement, I realized that this young man was here to seek justice for me and that losing was not an option for him . I was So impressed by his knowledge of the laws and how he presented or shall I say , How he injected a particular law into my case anytime that my employer’s attorney would bring up different events. Mr. Clay helped me prepare for my hearing by telling me to just be truthful and to the point, And do not drag your answers on and on and just relax . Mr. Clay is the Real Deal and he seems to not get intimidated by other lawyers or the Judge. Thanks Very Much to you Mr. Clay and the Bill Abbott Firm for representing me in my workmen compensation case . Thanks Again 👍
Mr.Abbott works fast very professional and knowledgeable lawyer.
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Soy Alfred Lorenzo gracias a Dios concegui los mejores abogados Dios bendiga al Licenciado Joseph badoy gracias por toda su ayuda Dios lo bendiga grandemente.
23:48 02 Feb 22
Not gone lie. Abbott & associates has been a blessing and a God send. The experience was awkward at first but I am very confident that the service the they provide has given me more than anywhere else. I am also confident. Abbott associates has the ability to help anybody as they have helped me !!!
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15:22 05 Jan 22
was the best choose i could have made to choose Mr. Clay at Abbott & Associates
Joe Vitak II
16:06 23 Dec 21
Very professional. Explains very well. Always answers quickly, even on Sunday, when I just had a passing question. Polite and nice.
18:56 22 Dec 21
07:24 21 Dec 21
Definitely saved me from being rolled over by work comp insurance, great people and always responds back with any inquiries within hours.
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16:09 20 Dec 21
Es una excelente oficina de asistencia legal con respecto a la asistencia a los accidentes laborales, me han brindado el mejor apoyo que he necesitado. En mi caso la aseguranza me bloqueo mi caso y necesite la asistencia como a 6 meses despues de mi accidente.Si te accidentas busca esta firma que te ayudaran.Hoy puedo decir gracias Licenciado Bedoy. Espero que Dios todopoderoso lo bendiga, y lo guarde. El me ha apoyado y fuimos a corte y ganamos el caso, su asistencia me ha brindado el soporte que tanto he necesitado.Gracias Sr. Bedoy y Abbot & Associates Workers Compensation.
12:23 20 Dec 21
17:34 18 Dec 21
They have been very helpful with my case. I appreciate it.
Wow is one if many words I can say about Abbott and Associates... Joseph Bedoy really went above and beyond what I expected I was in a dead end situation and didn't see a way out, by me having lymphedema among other issues that came with it not only didn't they win my case but Joseph Bedoy won my case in court thanks again words can't explain Thanks for everything.
21:16 17 Dec 21
I started using this law firm when I had a serious work injury. My attorney Joseph Bedoy was very knowledgeable and when workman's comp wouldn't approve treatments I contacted Mr. Bedoy and everything was taken care of. He has been a blessing throughout my situation. I would recommend this law firm especially if your dealing workman's comp.
21:02 17 Dec 21
My attorney is Joseph BEDOY @ ABBOTT CLAY & REED law firm. I am so pleased with my attorney! I can't begin to explain how much my mind and spirit has been put at ease!!! My attorney has helped me so much,!!!! A year ago I didn't know what to do after I injured myself at work, and I didn't seek the advice of an attorney...BIG MISTAKE! I wish I had called my attorney sooner than I did, Mr. Joseph Bedoy got right on my case and it wasn't long before he found the first mistake of my worker's comp check! When everyone else said there's nothing else could be done, attorney Joseph Bedoy got me an appointment to see a state appointed doctor, and although he did in fact explain to me the difficulties of getting a knee replacement approved through worker's comp, he didn't give up fighting for it and as of now I have an appointment for my knee replacement surgery! I can't say that you will get the same results because everyone situation is different! But what I can say is I AM SO THANKFUL FOR THEIR DEDICATION AND HARD WORK! AND I WOULD RECOMMEND THIS LAW FIRM TO ANYONE AND EVERYONE! Thank you!
15:17 17 Dec 21
Attorney Joseph Bedoy has truly been a blessing to us especially navigating through a Workman's Comp process we never had to go through before. He has been very reliable, responsible and quite to respond to any questions or concerns we had through the process. Best experience we have ever had and would highly recommend him.
Darvin A Badger Sr
06:18 17 Dec 21
I had the pleasure of being a client with Abbott &Associates concerning a work related injury that the employer refused to acknowledge. The law from accepted my case and rapidly developed a worker’s compensation claim which entitled me to receive monetary compensation. Mr. Joseph Bedoy and his team did a wonderful job. We communicate via email but he responded to every email and concern I had. I find NO fault in the Abbott law firm and his team of attorney. We may never get what we believe our case is worth but for as workmen compensation knowledge I believe they are the best, remember most attorneys doesn’t like accepting WC cases.Thank you
02:35 15 Dec 21
My experience with Nikki Miller and Associates was and still is amazing! Words cannot express the gratitude felt with the services provided to me in my time of need. I felt that Nikki has gone over and beyond to handle my case and all the details involved. She didn't loose her spunk no matter how the case may have dragged out. Thank you so much to you and your team! This review is from my mother Betty B
13:32 29 Nov 21
Very eager to help very friendly
15:34 17 Nov 21
I was injured on the job due to a no fault accident. I was very reluctant to hire an attorney because I had no desire to sue the company I work for. After a year of fighting workers comp and being denied for basic test like a CT scan and being denied over and over for a second surgery after workers comp covered the first. I needed to have a chance to get better I hired Bill Abbott and Associates out of desperation. Bill Abbott contacted me personally and stayed in contact with me. Even contacting me on the weekends. Soon I got the CT scan approved, after that the surgery approved. This was a second surgery for this injury. I had the second surgery yesterday (Nov, 15, 2021) after 4 months of denials. Without Bill Abbott workers comp was going to cancel me without any hope of recovery. Now I have hope. My recommendation is if you have a serious work injury contact Bill Abbott immediately… like from the ER. He even discovered that for a year worker’s compensation had been under paying me and got all of that back. He is THE MAN!!!!
Mosi' AHDI Fachoun
23:44 17 Jun 21
Abbott and Associates team have talent and expertise for your case. for your expertise and talents. You guys didn't have too but this team of lawyers went above and beyond. Y'all took me on as a client after me hearing many many no's from other firms. Yall were truly a blessing in time of real need.I really want to show how much I appreciate you both for going above and beyond the call of duty to assist me. These words cannot really express my gratitude. Mr. Abbott and Mr. Clay thank you for all that you do.Thank you too Ms. Courtney!😉
01:53 07 May 21
Always just a phone call away, always responsive un answering questions. Very concerned and considerate of your feelings and situation. Always doing their best.Thank you Mr. Lewis you're the best.
19:27 05 May 21
Nikki was very professional helping me with my case. Everything was handled very quickly. I felt at ease and very confident that Everything was being taken care of. I highly recommend her if you ever in need of help.
16:42 29 Apr 21
The Law firm is great, They have been there for me at all times,any questions I had they answered, My Lawyer Fyodor Clay took great care of me,He always showed up at hearings and court,He fought hard for me,This is the Law firm that I would recommend 2 anybody that dont wanna stress themselves out!! Abbot and Associate is the best!!
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03:31 27 Mar 21
I cannot say enough great things about Nikki Boyd my attorney, and Mr Bill Abbott and any of the staff that worked with her and me and never left me wondering or worried about anything that had to do with my case. She is truly my hero.Without Nikki, fighting and working so hard for me, I would have never known had badly I had been deliberately lied to, cheated, and left to fend for myself.I am so very blessed to have had her on my side and she has done so for nearly 2 years now.She found out so much that had been forged, hidden, and outright cheated out of that I wouldn’t have ever known.From my wages, amenities and more that had been stripped from me, not only by my ex employer, but the workers Comp company as well and exposed their deceit and forced them to take care of their responsibility not only to me but also to the mounting thousands of dollars in medical bills the company was intentionally not paying to my doctors, clinics, therapy, She put them on their heels and saved me from being taken advantage of from the very day she took my case. She made my healing process so much more bearableShe always made sure no matter what questions i had, bug or small, if I sent an email, she repitiese, if I called, she answered or returned the call.Even in lapses of legal activity between resolutions of things, she still would check in on me personally and ask foe actual reports from my dr appointments etcEven those are a lot of words, it still cannot portray the blessing it has been for me, to have Nikki Boyd, Bill Abbott, and the best law firm of Abbott and Associates have my back.I can never thank Nikki enough!
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01:03 09 Dec 20
Working with Saman at Abbott And Associates has made my life much easier knowing that she communicates on a professional level and handles business with expertise so that the transactions flow smoothly and the communication is minimal. Highly recommend this law firm.
17:25 04 Dec 20
Saman Prejee has been very helpful patient and very professional. I feel very safe and comfortable she is the best
23:39 24 Nov 20
My lawyer Saman Premjee is the best she is very professional and she is very Responsive. I’m very blessed to have her she is great. The firm is very awesome. I will recommend this firm to everyone I’m very pleased. My lawyer Saman is very professional she makes sure you understand what is going on. She always calls you back with updates or if you have any questions. Thank you very much you are very much appreciated.
I AM that I AM
16:06 14 Oct 20
My name is Tim G. (I am that I am), and I highly recommend Abbott & Associates, particularly Mr. Bill Abbott. Unequivocally, Mr. Abbott is a skilled, capable, attorney that will advocate on your behalf in a manner that gets results. With his expert knowledge in Workers Compensation he will tell you the facts base on governing laws and procedures. Without overhype and let you know where you stand base on his knowledge and vast experience. He will under promise but over deliver base on where your indiviual case within governing laws. I can tell you from personal experience of his representation of over two years. That you will not be disappointed in his representation. Nor do you have to worry about Mr. Abbott responding to your inquiries. His manner of professional conduct, and ethics is beyound reproach. In my opinion base on facts and personal experience, you will not find a better Advocate. If you want a true professional to fight for your Workers Compensation rights. Then you want Mr. Bill Abbott. Abbott & Associates is the right choice. For me his firm was not only the right choice but the only choice!
11:58 13 Oct 20
20:03 12 Oct 20
Great caring did best they could . I'm no better off yet but, sure there great. They went out of there way try help me find solutions and get me connected to the right people for my needs
18:53 06 Oct 20
I cannot say enough about how happy I am that I was referred to Abbott and Assiciates. Nikki Boyd and her associates have gone over and above to satisfy my workmans comp claim.I have never been thru anything like this . But Nikki has been with me all the way. Thank You Thank You Abbott and Associates for all you have done I could not have been represented any better by any one else. Blessings to Nikki Boyd and her Associates .
22:15 03 Oct 20
I hired Abbott and Associates when Worker's Comp Insurance started to deny my husbands claims. They have been wonderful to help answer questions and walk us thru the Workers Comp law. When I have a problem I let them know and within a day or two the problem is solved. When he had to go to court they made sure his problems were presented in a careful thought out manor and were able to rebut any and all issues the opposing counsel had. I would recommend Abbot and Associates to anyone that is having problems.
00:32 03 Oct 20
17:51 01 Oct 20
Outstanding, dedicated and Professional Law Firm. My experience with Attorney Nikky Boyd was excellent. As well with her assistant. I was always informed on time in every detail pertaining my case. Thank you so much, and 100% recommended.
16:57 01 Oct 20
Very professional and helpful
15:38 01 Oct 20
Nikki Boyd has done a great job helping me with my case,, I give her 5 stars,, she's been absolutely amazing....
15:28 01 Oct 20
Very professional, caring, highly recommended.
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22:55 15 May 20
Abbott & Associates made me feel that my injuries and case circumstances were their first priority. They represented my concerns about receiving appropriate care and insurance benefits from start to finish. The attorneys working my case, Joe Bedoy and Corey Collins, were accessible and kept me informed the entire time. They, along with Bill Abbott and the entire staff get an A+ in my book. Thank you!
21:37 07 Feb 20
This is a great lawfirm
01:49 27 Oct 19
Took care of me
23:09 11 Sep 19
Great group of attorneys
00:52 08 Sep 19
15:20 12 Jul 19
Wanted to share my experience with this law firm. If you get hurt ,or injured on the job like I did CALL THEM.I have a bad back injury,but thank God I was able to have this firm represent me.From the beginning until now Bill,and,Steven make sure ,and get everthing you have comming to you .I would recommen This firm to anyone with a work place injury .They have done a awsome job for me and contend on doing .Thanks Steve Desmond
Armando Ortega Jr
21:07 23 May 19
THANK YOU BILL FOR YOUR ASSISTANCE AND FOR FINISHING ON GOOD TERMS, LEARNED ALOT, HAVE A BLESSES ONE
14:21 23 Apr 19
I'm very happy with the work they are doing
Got injured on January 23rd 2010, contacted Ogletree Abbott and was assigned Bianca Reed as a caseworker. It took a little to get the ball rolling with Walmart, but she always went above and beyond to make sure that my case was taken care of Thoroughly and that I received the compensation that I deserved. She took on the big dogs and won. I got my surgery approved in 2011 and a few months later, I received my backpay from Walmart. I was assigned a few different lawyers along the way, but ultimately I was paid out until the end of 2017. I would recommend this lawfirm to anybody looking to be protected from the thievery of evil corporations that only seek to help their own. Joseph bedoy is a great attorney as well. Hank altmiller is another amazing Attorney At This firm!
20:59 24 Mar 19
Pat Lewis has been great help. Thank you Mr. Lewis
Very good experience from start to finish. Attorney David Randle handled my case and he was very professional thru and thru. Its been over six months since my case ended and although late I wanted to mention the great experience I had with this firm. Mr Randle kept in touch with me the entire time I never had to wonder why was going on with my case, I wish there were more attorneys like him. Thanks a Million Mr. Randle.
23:32 08 Dec 17
After being denied benefits for an on the job injury, I contacted Abbott and Associates and retained attorney Jospeh Bedoy. From day one, Mr. Bedoy stayed on top of my case and kept me informed every step of the way. If it wasn't for his knowledge of workers comp laws and policies and his compassion for his job, I would have gotten screwed out of benefits and the medical care I need. Job well done!
17:21 05 Dec 17
All I know is, thank God for this law firm, especially Bianca Reed. They will stay with you through thick and thin. And they know the law in and out, I could not have had a better advocate than Ms Reed...
Karen R Johnson
03:35 19 Sep 16
I'm blessed to have Attorney Fyodor Clay to represent me on my workers' comp case. He is very knowledgeable & trustworthy. He works hard & diligently to make sure nothing falls through the cracks. He makes sure you're not taken advantage of by the insurance carriers, doctors,etc. Mr. Clay is the best attorney you could have on your side. I promise you, he won't let you down.
00:05 12 Jun 16
Well I was in a car rollover and at first I thought I could do this on my own and later on felt blind side by some of my doctor's and comp so I decided to call Mr.Abbott and him and his team went all out of their way to make sure I was getting what I deserved and put me like I was their number one priority. All I'm gonna say is be sure and do exactly as you're asked. My lawyer Joseph Bedoy was one of the greatest blessings god has put in my life and the rest of the Abbot Clay and Reed firm thank you very much.
04:36 11 Jun 16
My name is Billy Hamilton, Verizon SW my employer has done every dirty trick to avoid paying my claim. Verizon claimed I was not hurt on the job and failed top give notice as required by law. I worked over time after the injury. and did not go immediately to the hospital. So i was forced to hire Abbott Clay and Reed, who assigned Joseph Bedoy to my case, he is, a very likable , knowledgeable, and skilled attorney, that really showed me his metal at trial against Verizon. He started with going over the elements of the case and the evidence required to prove them, and sharpening my memory of the accident and the dates and times of all the following events critical to our case. then on trial day Verizon has 3 witnesses and Joseph effectively turned each witness into a witness that prove critical and essential points that proved and supported my case and then on closing argument Mr. Bedoy provided the court with the law to justify and require a ruling in my favor, which Verizon failed to impeach and the Judges written opinion indicated as much and resulted in a finding of a compensable injury with timely notice, not once but two times, and that Verizon shall pay for treatment and monetarily, all back pay and start making weekly payments, now Mr. Bedoy is trying to avoid court to get a greatly needed surgery scheduled and completed the firm is the best when Mr. Bedoy was on vacation Verizon cut off all my weekly checks I called Mr. Abbott who called Verizon and checks were started with in 24 hours. I am glad Mr. Abbott reviews my case monthly or when Mr. Bedoy is not available because Verizon does not hesitate to stop payments, treatment or needed surgery.on a whim.just to harass and delay, so made the best choice when I called Bill Abbott and he assigned Joseph Bedoy to help me.
17:10 06 May 16
Joseph was just awesome. He was always on top of things when it came to my husbands court and doctor's appts and etc. He answered all of our questions honestly and promptly. The best form of communication for us was through email and we would sometimes get updates and answers at night and even over the weekends. This was by far the best experience we've ever had with an attorney. Joseph did everything he was suppose to do under the law and had no control over what doctor reports and medical records/reports stated which was beyond his control. I would recommend him and his law firm to any and everyone that would listen.My husband wanted to just give up on his Workers Comp claim and once I spoke with Joseph and told him the situation he put my mind at ease and that was enough and I convinced my husband to move forward. He didn't disappoint because WE won.Thanks again Joseph Bedoy! 🙂
Well my name is Shawntain Austin. And I can tell you from results that Mr. Clay and Abbott Reed team is the Best Attorney's I ever had in my life time. They really care for you and work hard for there clients. The whole law firm I will say got to be excellent to have a attorney like Mr. Clay on there team. God is Good. Good people.
22:54 21 Nov 14
My experience with Larry Leach and Associates was a gift from god. They have given me a new chance on life. After being married for 39 years, my husband divorced me. Larry and his Associates took my hand and lead me through this life changing experience. I owe them more then I can say.Thank you so much!!!!Rena
09:24 04 Feb 13
The Ogletree-Abbott Law Firm has handled my business for a very long time now. The staff at the firm has always stepped up to the plate since day #1 and handled it like the professional team they are. I am proud of especially of my attorney Leslie Sandler for her keen attention to detail, her superior knowledge of the law, her dedication to her clients, and her undying loyalty to the defense of what is right and to her clients.I give my highest recommendation of the Ogletree-Abbott Law Firm to anyone seeking high-quality legal representation. They truly are a customer service-oriented firm.
04:12 01 Feb 13
Contacted Ogletree Abbott Law Firm Adrienne Gasser was assinged to help me.She asked how Iinjured myself &hand over any letters I recieved from any insurance company.& said we will handle the legal work &for me to lots of rest.She will fight for you .She will get you the benefits proper medical treatments that are needed for you. Ogltree Abbott Law Firm I recommed the to any one at any age